Nobody actually wants these any more

"Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero" (sampsonite24) 12/10/2019 at 14:48 • Filed to: None

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Despite what “enthusiasts” bitch and moan about.

This is a truck that’s been sitting on the lot of a local Ford dealer for about 9 months now. It’s an absolute base F150 XL, single cab/long bed, with the 3.3 NA V6 and RWD. It’s currently advertised as just under 27k dollars. The dealer also has one identical to it but it white, which has also been sitting for about 9-10 months. Next time someone complains that there aren’t any cheap honest trucks left remind them that nobody is actually wants them anymore. Otherwise this thing wouldn’t have been sitting for so long.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 14:55

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$27k isn’t a great value for this, though.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 14:56

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I sometimes browse single cab rwd trucks on autotrader because there are some screaming deals to be had. I’d snap one up if it was just my wife and I.

Censored > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 14:56

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$ 27k isn’t chea p.

Arrivederci > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/10/2019 at 15:00

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This!  If it was $17k, we might be talking.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Arrivederci 12/10/2019 at 15:05

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Exactly. It’s sitting for 9 months because it’s embarrassingly overpriced.

shop-teacher > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:06

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That’s too much.  That should be a $22k truck.

vondon302 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:09

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There’s better deals to be had in the regular cab market.

2017 7000 miles 4x4 bighorn tow package and a 1000 dollar roll up bed cover.

25900

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > shop-teacher 12/10/2019 at 15:11

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Even at 22k it wouldn't sell. There are over 100 in this exact same spec minus the chrome trim for sale in the area. Some as low as 19k for a left over 2018 model. Nobody wants these

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/10/2019 at 15:13

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Ok then why is this one still sitting?

Same specs minus the chrome trim and has been sitting for 2 years now

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:13

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The key word here is "cheap". $27k ain't cheap.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 12/10/2019 at 15:15

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There are even "cheaper" examples that aren't selling. Cause nobody wants to ride around in these. So they just sit on lots. Because plot twist, people enjoy nice things

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:24

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That’s easy — it’s gray!

Nothing > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:32

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Man, there are a slew of Ranger XLTs for about $27k near me. I’d go that route before the bare bones F150s.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Nothing 12/10/2019 at 15:33

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I probably would too. But also I like heated seats which means paying more lol

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:35

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If I needed a bare bones truck for the occasional truck use and daily driving otherwise, I would get a Ranger XL for the same price considering we’re going by MSRP. The equipment is roughly the same, but you get the added benefit of either a SuperCab or SuperCrew configuration, which opens it up to a larger market. If you’re shopping in that price range, odds are the Ranger is the better truck unless you absolutely need the F150's 200 lb  towing capacity increase.

If we look at a Ranger XL SuperCrew with the towing package, it tows 7500 lbs, while a 3.55 F150 XL regular cab tows only 5100 lbs. The 3.73 steps it up to 7700 lbs, but the Ranger is still the sensible choice for most.

Textured Soy Protein > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 12/10/2019 at 15:40

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The average new vehicle transaction price is now something like $34-35k so relatively speaking, $27k is cheap. But it’s still a lot of money. 

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:43

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Hey, I bought a new one in 2017. That said, I also didn’t buy an absolute base truck.

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slipperysallylikespenguins > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:50

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People want a bare bones truck...........................with a V8. Nobody wants base v6 except fleets.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 15:54

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Enthusiasts never actually pay to keep the lights on. We can a miserable bunch that like to bitch regardless of the offering. Too expensive or don’t make what we want. We can never be satisfied. Mr. and Mrs. Grounded to the ground have more sway because they throw down on new cars.

The few off us that do put our money where our mouth is don’t buy in the numbers to make a business case, see TourX and manual transmissions.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 12/10/2019 at 16:04

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It is that would be the equivalent of $ 18K in 2001, that is pretty cheap.

facw > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 12/10/2019 at 16:08

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The base 1992 F-150 cost around $20,000 (in today’s money). That’s certainly a lot less than the $28,495 price for the base 2020 F-150.

However, you are getting a lot more for that extra money. 19/25 mpg instead 14/17. 575 mile range instead of 309. 290 horse power instead of 145. A whole shit ton of safety features:

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And on top of that modern cars are undeniably better built, more reliable, and longer lasting than older vehicles.

Now you can argue you don’t want all that stuff, but it’s pretty clear that’s a niche that’s not worth serving, even fleet buyers don’t want to skip this stuff, and consumers almost uniformly want it.  

shop-teacher > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 16:23

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You know, now that you mention it, the last few truck’s my school district’s maintenance fleet has purchased, have been crew cab/extended cab trucks.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > shop-teacher 12/10/2019 at 16:32

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Because people like more interior room!

CobraJoe > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 16:33

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The enthusiasts who want a basic manual truck probably also don’t want a base 2wd V6.

The people who can afford a $20k+ new vehicle often can’t make much use of a something with no back seat.

And the people who want a cheap but functional truck have a huge used market to choose from . (There are over 500 trucks for sale under $20k within 50 miles of me ).

So, that truck falls in the gaps between being affordable and being desirable to the people who could afford it.

CobraJoe > Future next gen S2000 owner 12/10/2019 at 16:45

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Enthusiasts never actually pay to keep the lights on. We can a miserable bunch that like to bitch regardless of the offering. Too expensive or don’t make what we want. We can never be satisfied. Mr. and Mrs. Grounded to the ground have more sway because they throw down on new cars.

You’re veiwing “enthusiasts” as a single group. We aren’t a single group. We are a collection of highly competitive (and occasionally overlapping) tribes.

For every model made for enthusiasts, there are numerous competing groups that bitch about it, if only to claim superiority in their own minds. That doesn’t mean that the model made for enthusiasts is a flop, there could be an active core in there eager to buy new and convince others to buy new too.

The few off us that do put our money where our mouth is don’t buy in the numbers to make a business case, see TourX and manual transmissions.

The TourX was a fairly weak attempt from a company that can’t escape from the “old people’s cars ” stigma.

Manual transmissions though...  There are plenty of people who say they want one, then buy the auto because “they have to drive in traffic”.  They’re not dead yet, but they are becoming more and more specialized.  

Captain of the Enterprise > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 17:55

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2WD trust me, every truck guy I know wants 4wd.

M.T. Blake > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 18:48

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#fleettrucklyfeyohomie

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 19:52

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We recently replaced our single cab trucks for double cab trucks. It’s much nicer, because A. You can carry more people and not have to take two trucks to a site and B. When not carrying more people, it provides a secure place for tools and meters that we couldn’t have before. I honestly couldn’t see myself owning a regular cab now, having the extra space comes in handy even in scenarios you normally don’t think of. 

just-a-scratch > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 20:31

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I w ill not argue against your logic. It just makes me sad.

punkgoose17 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 20:35

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I’d buy that for 20k. At 28k no way. I want power windows and power locks for 28k. Those are 2 things the should not cut out of the base model. I feel like they cut them out so no one buys them and it pushes people up to the more pricey trucks.

fintail > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 21:26

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There was a time when trucks were meant to be used as tools. Then they were meant to be used by tools. We know which time the ethos behind this is from.

thatsmr > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/10/2019 at 23:49

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This truck is perfect to use a a truck but way too big. The new Ranger is also way too big for non-professional use. Old Datsuns, Toyotas, Rangers, and s-10s are what the average "think I need a truck" guy actually needs. If you need more seats go minivan!

Gerry197 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 02:21

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Nope, not even city and government agencies buy trucks that stripped out.  

Hamtractor > Captain of the Enterprise 12/11/2019 at 07:30

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Nah, I’m a truck guy, my Fiesta is the first non-truck I’ve had in 8 years, and only the second in almost 20. 2wd, shortbed, single cab is my favorite, especially now that I live where it never snows. That is an important criteria though, for those who live where it snows, or who might go offroad. Even when I lived in Colorado, I had a 2010 base GMC Sierra, 2wd, shortbed, single cab. Not great in the snow, never off-road.. But I have always had my K5 Blazers for that...

Captain of the Enterprise > Hamtractor 12/11/2019 at 07:34

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I’m in Michigan so that’s probably why my friends want the 4x4 ones we do get snow. 

jimz > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 07:45

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You’re not going to convince anyone. Internet car people think car companies should be happy to lose money making things which don’t sell, just so people can argue and complain about them.

Svend > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 09:37

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Looking at Autotrader U.K. they are quite rare here too, with less than 20 of the two doors for sale while over 1,000 four doors for sale.

But our two doors have some variety to them from being low slung road pickups to more regular raised positi on pickups for construction, etc...

Dropside t ipper rear beds.

and ones with tailgate lifts.

Hamtractor > Captain of the Enterprise 12/11/2019 at 09:53

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Yeah, my family is all from Michigan, without 4wd/AWD, you’re kinda hosed from October to April.  

loki03xlh > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 10:18

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If only it were a brown diesel manual truck with a camper top to make it a “ wagon”...

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 12:10

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Am I in the minority that thinks the steelies on Ford and Ram Trucks are their best wheels? I just put a set of aluminum rims on my reg cab/longbox/rubber floor/cranky windows GMC, But if it came with a full matching set of steelies It would have those. I find a certain dignity in a stripper truck. Also I’m poor, so my tastes are conve nient that way. 

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 12/11/2019 at 12:12

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I have not seen one of these in the wild.  I thought they were like the 35k tesla3,  Reputed to exist, but not really available. 

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 12/11/2019 at 12:26

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I see tons of them. They even became fleet cars for the local town next to us.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 12/11/2019 at 12:34

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I live in a pretty Truck-centric community, and the collective preference is for “fancy-pants” trucks like King Ranch/ H arley D avidson, Ram Longhorns, or the GMC “made of caviar” edition.   Plain wrapper trucks are strictly the domain of plumbing companies. (where mine was in it’s previous life. 

Gaslollipop > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 12:45

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Why buy a $20k truck with a v6 that isnt turbo charged or a V8. Thats a full sized truck with mid sized truck power train . 

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > CobraJoe 12/11/2019 at 14:17

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This. This is exactly the (well, the main ) hangup I have with stepping up to the current Colorado. The manual exists. But it’s only available with an engine and driveline I don’t want. If they’d throw a V8 in it I’d be able to overlook the lack of a manual easily, but with a V6 I don’t particularly like (in a truck, anyway) and an I4 diesel that I generally like the drive ability of but is lacking in the  power department, it’s a much tougher sell for me.

jimz > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 14:40

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my first two trucks (an F250 and a Ram 2500) were regular cabs, but I wouldn’t go that way ever again.  the extra space of an extended cab is really nice. 

Derpwagon > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 16:07

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For 6 grand more there’s a 2018 5.0 Lariat. 4WD, 4 door, heated seats, etc. Spread that over the 4381477341 month loan that’s standard, and you’re right. Nobody wants a stripper truck when they can have a much nicer place to be for not much more per month. 

MM54 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 16:55

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If I were in the market for a new truck (I’m not, no purpose for having one ), that would be a strong temptation.

Spanfeller is a twat > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/11/2019 at 18:53

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The problem is that the 3.3 V6 is a dog. I bet plenty of 2.7s like that get sold. 

SmugAardvark > facw 12/12/2019 at 03:53

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I think it it’s a bit of a stretch to say that the se are luxuries: Air Conditioning, vanity mirror, cupholders, power steering, rear view camera (aren’t they required on all new cars now), and a tilt wheel.

Heated mirrors though, sure.

Long_Voyager94 > facw 12/12/2019 at 07:34

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A 1992 F150 with the 300 I6 will be better built, more reliable, and last longer than this new truck ever thought to be.

No offense man, but the 3.3 is a dog , especially for someone who wants to do truck stuff. It may have an extra 150hp, but it only gains 25ft-lbs of torque, and it all comes in over 4k, not exactly a useful feature for towing/hauling. The inside of these trucks is garbage, like holy hell I’m sure Fisher Price could have made a better quality interior . Plus Ford isn’t exactly killing it with reliability these days.

Long_Voyager94 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/12/2019 at 07:35

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Color, Short bed, Ford?

Long_Voyager94 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/12/2019 at 07:48

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No one wants to pay $27k for a $17k truck.

Call me old, but I remember when you could buy a brand new extended cab, 4x4, with decent options for $18k brand new. That’s $24k in today’s money for a V8, 4x4, with an extended cab and options!

jimz > Long_Voyager94 12/12/2019 at 08:06

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A 1992 F150 with the 300 I6 will be better built, more reliable, and last longer than this new truck ever thought to be.

Which is why there are so many still on the road. Oh wait, most of them rusted away into scrap.

jimz > Future next gen S2000 owner 12/12/2019 at 08:09

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Thank you.  

jimz > shop-teacher 12/12/2019 at 08:09

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Only an “enthusiast” would insist that car companies should be happy to lose thousands of dollars on each sale.

Shift24 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/12/2019 at 09:32

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Since no one else has said it, its because all the grandpas who wanted a base regular cab with out the new fa ngled turbo whach - a- call it are either dead or too old to drive

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/12/2019 at 10:00

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I think the biggest problem is the 3.3. The 2.7 EcoBoost is a $1000 option that you can add even to the base XL standalone. I know people on the internet like to complain about the extra complexity of the turbos and potential repair costs down the line, but the little bit of extra power, ton of extra torque, and 3 or so MPG for $1k makes the 3.3 a hard sell - the only customers I can see buying something this base are the few fleets that don’t rack up enough miles to care about MPG and are worried about reliability... and most of those probably can  get by with a Ranger.

Long_Voyager94 > jimz 12/12/2019 at 10:01

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90s F150s are all running around up here in the rust belt. I can count 3 of them daily on my 15 min commute..

shop-teacher > jimz 12/12/2019 at 10:14

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I daily drive a full size crew cab truck, and have done so since I bought it new in 2006. S o, I’m not some purist who thinks every truck should have a regular cab and an 8' bed.  The price of trucks has gotten completely out of hand though.  Automakers, unable to find a way to make a profit on cars, have chosen to jack the ever-loving shit out of truck prices to make up the difference.  The sticker price on trucks is obscene.

jimz > shop-teacher 12/12/2019 at 10:43

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there is so much more stuff in even a base XL F-150 today that wasn’t in a Lariat F-150 from 20 years ago. and this is stuff that has to be there. a ‘99 had two airbags (driver and front passenger.) a 2019 regular cab has 7 airbags (driver, front passenger, left side curtain, right side curtain, left thorax seat integrated, right thor ax seat integrated, knee bolster) two pyrotechnic seatbelt pretensioners, and a complex restraints control module to activate them instead of just dumb impact sensors. There’s several hundred dollars added to the BOM right there.  Oh, and the body is another several hundred dollars more costly (aluminum.)  

DocWalt > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/12/2019 at 11:09

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Nobody wants it because it’s a crappy engine.

Spanfeller is a twat > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/12/2019 at 11:12

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I think RAM has a better idea of how to corner the enthusiast market that looks for cheap trucks... which is selling the old version of your truck with the fancy engine only. 

This is a single cab, regular bed V8 ram, and it sells like hotcakes.... 571k in american dollars is 29 grand; the RWD version is 28 grand. 

RangerSmith > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/17/2019 at 00:17

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I know you’ve seen a million posters say that it’s too expensive. It is too expensive. You’ve got a family of four already with a small suv/ family hauler for mom, a 12 year old H onda/Toyota compact for dad to get to work in. It become s very difficult for someone to part with TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for a third vehicle. Which explains why 4x4 crew cabs sell like hot cakes.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/22/2019 at 11:18

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Yup... and this is why I roll my eyes when people say they bought a large truck or SUV to meet their “Needs”

Yeah... bullshit.

I wish people would be honest with themselves and just say they bought it because they *wanted* it, not because they actually need a $50,000+ vehicle. 

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 12/22/2019 at 20:19

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I mean I bought a big suv cause I wanted one but it's also 10 years old

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 12/22/2019 at 20:24

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You heathen!

/jk

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > facw 12/22/2019 at 21:36

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As for build quality, they may be better built, but there are still some quality issues on lots of F150s.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein 12/26/2019 at 13:31

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The problem is that the average new vehicle is just over $37 k when incomes have barely recovered from the financial crisis. Average prices are literally $10k more than they were 12 years ago, while the median income has  barely increased, meaning that is not at all cheap for most of the population.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Long_Voyager94 12/26/2019 at 13:49

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This is what I’ve been pointing out in these comments. Plus incomes haven’t even risen after inflation in almost 20 years. Unless incomes triple, most cars are just ridiculously expensive. I’m not poor by any means, but even the price of the cars we’ve bought gives me pause. It’s nothing like when grandpa was dead center middle class, could buy new cars as a reasonable percentage of his single income, and still retire at 55 with a pension and over a million in the bank.

HammerheadFistpunch > Nothing 02/07/2020 at 12:32

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Thats the gist of it.  F150 deals aren’t hard to find, if you want to unload a base truck you had better make it worth the buyers time.